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CuST0M · May 16, 2006, 05:48 PM // 17:48

Sup everyone Ive been play`n this game since day 1 and the only reason I play it was because there were no fees to play....but Anet has chaged this. Not in a way most would notice, for those of us with half a brain can see what theyre doing now....

Those who are still in the clouds, Ill break it down for you:

GW Release: $50
Year later comes Factions (said to be a $30 expansion): $50
**Collectors Edition JUSSSST HAPPENED TO BE very limited, and people who have (which i do) the collectors edition get a free green pet. Not ONLY that they gave everyone a 10 day grace period. This was all fine and dandy, but lets think back on this paragraph... CE HAPPENED TO BE VERY LIMITED, thus forcing players to buy the normal edition, and at a later date(said to be the end of June) LMAO, they would re-release the CE...thus the "hardcore" players dish out more cash....

Sad tactics Anet, im very displeased.

Now.... back to present day. Anet is delivering on thier promise of an expansion (stand-alone or not) every six months. Ya thats all well and good but guess what, its not free!
--- Before you all flame that you dont have to buy it to play older versions...then you just wasted your time reading this post and are oblivious, so dont bother posting ur bullsh^t. No one wants to be sitn around doing the same thing, the game as we all know is repetitive. So we all wait on and buy the expansion. Its NEW, thus we must have it.

We have to wait and see if the next expansion is $50 or $30 like they had originally anounced for Factions.

I feel gernerious so ill do the math for you:

GW+GWF= $107, for a year of game
Expansion every 6 months

could be either) around $8 (if $50 for it) or around $5 bucks a month to play.
* so $60 or POSSIBLY $100 a year to play new material, and keep interest in the game...

Ill say this about Anet, they need to make money somehow, but deception is wrong. You see other games dishing out Expansions every 6 months? Cause i dont, once a year at most...

Repetative Game=Need for expansion, to keep interest in the game...thus: If they make it, FOR NOW we will buy.

Hope this has given some of ya'll insite. Thougt i'd share my thoughts, thanks for listening or not listening.

Peace
-=ill

GhostPoet · May 16, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Riiiiiight...

It's all a conspiracy!! Alien abductions! Dogs and cats living together! It's hysteria!!!

GhostPoet · May 16, 2006, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Back on a serious note.

They are a company. They need to make a profit. Do you honestly expect them to give us FREE expansions?

TheSonofDarwin · May 16, 2006, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Of course there is going to be some breakdown and distribution of your money to pay for the severs/development/bug fixes, so of course it can be broken down into monthly "charges" if you will.

However, a problem with your issue is that you pay the $50, but then you don't pay another montly fee. Almost any other online game not only do you buy the game for full price, but you also pay a monthly charge. Not only that, but you are NOT stopped from playing GWP a year later, 2 years later, 3 years later - so break down your monthly charges to consider that. As long as their game servers are still up (with the current lag, the time is questionable

) you'll be able to play all "expansions."

GhostPoet · May 16, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01

If they didn't make cash off the expansions...you wouldn't be playing this game anymore. Because they would be bankrupt from giving out everything free.

Rathcail · May 16, 2006, 06:04 PM // 18:04

OP makes baby Rurik cry.

GhostPoet · May 16, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Stop making baby Rurik cry, dang it! Can't you see you're tearing this family apart!
=P (sorry...couldn't resist)

pbspectre · May 16, 2006, 06:08 PM // 18:08

WoW: (if they were to put out one expansion each year)

$30-50 (expansion or stand-alone?) + $15/month x 12 months = $210-230/year...

GW:

$50 stand-alone/expansion x 2/year = $100/year...

GW=Win...

Dandy Warhol · May 16, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09

You do not have to be purchasing the expansions. They exist to provide new content--at a price. It's not a crime to make a profit. Arena Net is attempting to (and I think actually doing) just that when they release games every six months. Factions was *supposed* to be a stand alone game. Whether or not it actually was is highly debateable and, I think, a matter of personal preference. Either way, you don't have to buy the expansions unless you want the content. No one is making you do it.

If you wanted to stick with just Prophecies, fine. If you wanted both games, fine. But there is no major conspiracy here to screw over the little guy. You can just say no and not buy the expansion. They won't cut off your playing in Prophecies if you do that.

AsheMan · May 16, 2006, 06:13 PM // 18:13

I read through your ramblings and came to one conclusion. You are wrong. Nowhere did you "prove" that they have any form of monthly billing. Sure they have expansions and sure they charge money, but in no way is that a form of recurring monthly billing. You make little to no sense and come off as sounding like a "not so smart" fellow.

Sol_Vie · May 16, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Releasing new chapters isn't a subscription, nor is releasing CEs. It'd be a subscription if we were all forced to buy both such things, but as that is not the case, it's not a subscription. Choice is the difference between these things.

Loviatar · May 16, 2006, 06:15 PM // 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuST0M

We have to wait and see if the next expansion is $50 or $30 like they had originally anounced for Factions.

since obviously in all that time you never bothered with the FAQ here is what they said about pricing as they never mentioned any 50,30, or other numbers

FROM THE FAQ DURING BETA (UNCHANGED TO THIS DAY)

Quote:

How much does Guild Wars cost? How much will additional chapters cost?

Guild Wars is priced at a comparable cost to other first-tier PC games. The subsequent chapters of Guild Wars will be comparably priced in relation to other games.

AsheMan · May 16, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17

You might want to vote on your own poll so it isn't 100% disagree.

Cyan The Archer · May 16, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuST0M

Ill say this about Anet, they need to make money somehow, but deception is wrong. You see other games dishing out Expansions every 6 months? Cause i dont, once a year at most...

Let me answer your question: Yes, i do see a certain game which got flamed much more than Factions, that is dishing out an expansion more than a year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuST0M

Sad tactics Anet, im very displeased.

Why is it sad? You're the only one to have realized that, so isnt it a good tactic? Because even when you explained it to me, then i still dont understand

Lerxst_of_Syrinx · May 16, 2006, 06:21 PM // 18:21

How can you even say there's a supposed "monthly fee". You get totally new content for more money which connects to your old content.

Take a "real" MMO...
Buy game.
Pay $15 a month for same content.
Buy expansion.
Still pay $15 a month for same content.

How is this equal?

If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it. Go play some other game.

Almighty Zi · May 16, 2006, 06:24 PM // 18:24

There is no monthly charge for guild wars. You purchase the content which you want and then you can play it as much as you like without any further charges or fees.

Please don't argue that if you purchase all the expansions that in effect you are paying a monthly fee. While its true that you can take the cost of the original game and each expansion and arrive at a cost per month, there is still no getting away from the fact that once you have purchased the content you can play it as much as you like for as long as you like and you are not obligated to purchase additional content. If you are paying a monthly fee then you have to maintain those payments in order to continue playing the game. If you stop making payments you lose your account and you are no longer able to play the game. The two methods of paying for content are very much different.

If we are talking value for money then considering that the game cost me around £30 (which may be $50 or so) and the fact that I have spent over 3,300 playing the game over the last year then I would very much say that I have gotten my money's worth.

I don't think that you have provided any insight into the cost of guild wars as I believe the vast majority of players have already compared the cost of paying for the game in chunks to the cost of paying on a monthly basis. I think what you have provided here is just a rant.

liquiddrool · May 16, 2006, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Would someone clarify when the original GW was released? I know expansion was released 4/28. From what I recall I thought it was somewhere in middle of summer, say June. So if it was June, then you got 10 months for $50, rougly $5 a month, not bad.

Wrath Of Dragons · May 16, 2006, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sol_Vie

Releasing new chapters isn't a subscription, nor is releasing CEs. It'd be a subscription if we were all forced to buy both such things, but as that is not the case, it's not a subscription. Choice is the difference between these things.

Yes. Try not paying for a month or 5 on WoW....what happens?

Also, OP, this has been all stated before. the whole 50*2 = 100$ a year to play.

xarchitect · May 16, 2006, 06:28 PM // 18:28

You know, there are actually MMORPG that are completely free. Go play one. See you back here in a week. If you can even put up with the server lag and minimal content for that long.

Or you can go buy a game that actually does charge a monthly fee. You will get no new content every 6 months for your monthly fee.

Take an offline RPG. It will have a sequel that will cost just as much as a sequel to GW. It will use the same game engine, much like the GW sequels will use the same engine.You will complete it in 2 weeks and then the 50 bucks you spent is for a coaster to put your drink on while you play GW again.

What you seem to be missing here is that you actually got a new game for your 50 bucks. And you did NOT pay a monothly fee, no matter how much you want to think you are being screwed.

GhostPoet · May 16, 2006, 06:29 PM // 18:29

Let me see if i'm fully understanding what the OP is getting at...

The OP wants an online game with no monthly fee.
Free updates.
Free Expansion packs.

Am I understanding this correctly?

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May 16, 2006, 05:48 PM // 17:48	#1
CuST0M Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Fissure of Woe Guild: [DPAD] Dont Provoke Accept Defeat Profession: W/N	No Monthly Charge...ya BS, Read Sup everyone Ive been play`n this game since day 1 and the only reason I play it was because there were no fees to play....but Anet has chaged this. Not in a way most would notice, for those of us with half a brain can see what theyre doing now.... Those who are still in the clouds, Ill break it down for you: GW Release: $50 Year later comes Factions (said to be a $30 expansion): $50 *Collectors Edition JUSSSST HAPPENED TO BE very limited, and people who have (which i do) the collectors edition get a free green pet. Not ONLY that they gave everyone a 10 day grace period. This was all fine and dandy, but lets think back on this paragraph... CE HAPPENED TO BE VERY LIMITED, thus forcing players to buy the normal edition, and at a later date(said to be the end of June) LMAO, they would re-release the CE...thus the "hardcore" players dish out more cash.... Sad tactics Anet, im very displeased. Now.... back to present day. Anet is delivering on thier promise of an expansion (stand-alone or not) every six months. Ya thats all well and good but guess what, its not free! --- Before you all flame that you dont have to buy it to play older versions...then you just wasted your time reading this post and are oblivious, so dont bother posting ur bullsh^t. No one wants to be sitn around doing the same thing, the game as we all know is repetitive. So we all wait on and buy the expansion. Its NEW, thus we must have it. We have to wait and see if the next expansion is $50 or $30 like they had originally anounced for Factions. I feel gernerious so ill do the math for you: GW+GWF= $107, for a year of game Expansion every 6 monthscould be either) around $8 (if $50 for it) or around $5 bucks a month to play. so $60 or POSSIBLY $100 a year to play new material, and keep interest in the game... Ill say this about Anet, they need to make money somehow, but deception is wrong. You see other games dishing out Expansions every 6 months? Cause i dont, once a year at most... Repetative Game=Need for expansion, to keep interest in the game...thus: If they make it, FOR NOW we will buy. Hope this has given some of ya'll insite. Thougt i'd share my thoughts, thanks for listening or not listening. Peace -=ill

May 16, 2006, 06:08 PM // 18:08	#8
pbspectre Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Oral's Chosen Profession: W/Mo	WoW: (if they were to put out one expansion each year) $30-50 (expansion or stand-alone?) + $15/month x 12 months = $210-230/year... GW: $50 stand-alone/expansion x 2/year = $100/year... GW=Win... Last edited by pbspectre; May 16, 2006 at 06:10 PM // 18:10..

May 16, 2006, 06:13 PM // 18:13	#10
AsheMan Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2006 Profession: R/	Wrong I read through your ramblings and came to one conclusion. You are wrong. Nowhere did you "prove" that they have any form of monthly billing. Sure they have expansions and sure they charge money, but in no way is that a form of recurring monthly billing. You make little to no sense and come off as sounding like a "not so smart" fellow.

May 16, 2006, 06:24 PM // 18:24	#16
Almighty Zi Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Cheltenham, England Guild: Servants Of Fortuna Victrix	There is no monthly charge for guild wars. You purchase the content which you want and then you can play it as much as you like without any further charges or fees. Please don't argue that if you purchase all the expansions that in effect you are paying a monthly fee. While its true that you can take the cost of the original game and each expansion and arrive at a cost per month, there is still no getting away from the fact that once you have purchased the content you can play it as much as you like for as long as you like and you are not obligated to purchase additional content. If you are paying a monthly fee then you have to maintain those payments in order to continue playing the game. If you stop making payments you lose your account and you are no longer able to play the game. The two methods of paying for content are very much different. If we are talking value for money then considering that the game cost me around £30 (which may be $50 or so) and the fact that I have spent over 3,300 playing the game over the last year then I would very much say that I have gotten my money's worth. I don't think that you have provided any insight into the cost of guild wars as I believe the vast majority of players have already compared the cost of paying for the game in chunks to the cost of paying on a monthly basis. I think what you have provided here is just a rant. Last edited by Almighty Zi; May 16, 2006 at 06:26 PM // 18:26..

May 16, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52	#2
GhostPoet Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005	Riiiiiight... It's all a conspiracy!! Alien abductions! Dogs and cats living together! It's hysteria!!!

May 16, 2006, 05:57 PM // 17:57	#3
GhostPoet Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005	Back on a serious note. They are a company. They need to make a profit. Do you honestly expect them to give us FREE expansions?

May 16, 2006, 05:57 PM // 17:57	#4
TheSonofDarwin Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Black Hand Gang [BHG] Profession: Mo/	Of course there is going to be some breakdown and distribution of your money to pay for the severs/development/bug fixes, so of course it can be broken down into monthly "charges" if you will. However, a problem with your issue is that you pay the $50, but then you don't pay another montly fee. Almost any other online game not only do you buy the game for full price, but you also pay a monthly charge. Not only that, but you are NOT stopped from playing GWP a year later, 2 years later, 3 years later - so break down your monthly charges to consider that. As long as their game servers are still up (with the current lag, the time is questionable ) you'll be able to play all "expansions."

May 16, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01	#5
GhostPoet Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005	If they didn't make cash off the expansions...you wouldn't be playing this game anymore. Because they would be bankrupt from giving out everything free.

May 16, 2006, 06:04 PM // 18:04	#6
Rathcail Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2006	OP makes baby Rurik cry.

May 16, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06	#7
GhostPoet Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005	Stop making baby Rurik cry, dang it! Can't you see you're tearing this family apart! =P (sorry...couldn't resist)

May 16, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09	#9
Dandy Warhol Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado Guild: Final Countdown [GOB] Profession: W/D	You do not have to be purchasing the expansions. They exist to provide new content--at a price. It's not a crime to make a profit. Arena Net is attempting to (and I think actually doing) just that when they release games every six months. Factions was supposed to be a stand alone game. Whether or not it actually was is highly debateable and, I think, a matter of personal preference. Either way, you don't have to buy the expansions unless you want the content. No one is making you do it. If you wanted to stick with just Prophecies, fine. If you wanted both games, fine. But there is no major conspiracy here to screw over the little guy. You can just say no and not buy the expansion. They won't cut off your playing in Prophecies if you do that.

May 16, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14	#11
Sol_Vie Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boston, MA Guild: Blood Of Orr [BoO]	Releasing new chapters isn't a subscription, nor is releasing CEs. It'd be a subscription if we were all forced to buy both such things, but as that is not the case, it's not a subscription. Choice is the difference between these things.

May 16, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17	#13
AsheMan Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2006 Profession: R/	You might want to vote on your own poll so it isn't 100% disagree.

May 16, 2006, 06:21 PM // 18:21	#15
Lerxst_of_Syrinx Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Profession: Mo/R	How can you even say there's a supposed "monthly fee". You get totally new content for more money which connects to your old content. Take a "real" MMO... Buy game. Pay $15 a month for same content. Buy expansion. Still pay $15 a month for same content. How is this equal? If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it. Go play some other game.

May 16, 2006, 06:25 PM // 18:25	#17
liquiddrool Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2006	Would someone clarify when the original GW was released? I know expansion was released 4/28. From what I recall I thought it was somewhere in middle of summer, say June. So if it was June, then you got 10 months for $50, rougly $5 a month, not bad.

May 16, 2006, 06:28 PM // 18:28	#19
xarchitect Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: E/	You know, there are actually MMORPG that are completely free. Go play one. See you back here in a week. If you can even put up with the server lag and minimal content for that long. Or you can go buy a game that actually does charge a monthly fee. You will get no new content every 6 months for your monthly fee. Take an offline RPG. It will have a sequel that will cost just as much as a sequel to GW. It will use the same game engine, much like the GW sequels will use the same engine.You will complete it in 2 weeks and then the 50 bucks you spent is for a coaster to put your drink on while you play GW again. What you seem to be missing here is that you actually got a new game for your 50 bucks. And you did NOT pay a monothly fee, no matter how much you want to think you are being screwed.

May 16, 2006, 06:29 PM // 18:29	#20
GhostPoet Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005	Let me see if i'm fully understanding what the OP is getting at... The OP wants an online game with no monthly fee. Free updates. Free Expansion packs. Am I understanding this correctly?